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{{Infobox_location|title = Israel|image = 1280px-Flag of Israel.svg.png|map = 1024px-ISR orthographic.svg.png|location = Western Asia|inhabitants = 9,059,800 people (2019 estimate)|imagecaption = The flag was designed for the Zionist Movement in 1891. The basic design recalls the Tallit (טַלִּית), the Jewish prayer shawl, which is white with black or blue stripes. The symbol in the center represents the Star of David (Magen David, מָגֵן דָּוִד), a Jewish symbol dating from late medieval Prague, which was adopted by the First Zionist Congress in 1897.}}The '''State of Israel '''is a [[Liberalism|liberal...ish]]...[[Colonialism|colonalist]], [[Capitalism|capitalist]] [[List of States|state]] located in Western Asia, bordering the other states of [[Egypt]], [[Jordan]], [[Syria]] and [[Lebanon]]. It also the only state that is built on the principles of [[Zionism]] (well, there is [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast one interesting region] of [[Russia]]), an ideology that desires the reclamation of the Levant to build a Jewish homeland, violently, if necessary. Support for Israel is an extremely divisive issue, with plenty of passionate supporters and opponents on each side (forgive us for the awful centrist take).
{{Infobox_location|title = Israel|image = 1280px-Flag of Israel.svg.png|map = 1024px-ISR orthographic.svg.png|location = Western Asia|inhabitants = 9,059,800 people (2019 estimate)|imagecaption = The flag was designed for the Zionist Movement in 1891. The basic design recalls the Tallit (טַלִּית), the Jewish prayer shawl, which is white with black or blue stripes. The symbol in the center represents the Star of David (Magen David, מָגֵן דָּוִד), a Jewish symbol dating from late medieval Prague, which was adopted by the First Zionist Congress in 1897.}}The '''State of Israel '''is a [[Liberalism|liberal...ish]]..., [[Capitalism|capitalist]] [[List of States|state]] located in Western Asia, bordering the other states of [[Egypt]], [[Jordan]], [[Syria]] and [[Lebanon]]. It also the only state that is built on the principles of [[Zionism]] (well, there is [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast one interesting region] of [[Russia]]), an ideology that desires the reclamation of a Jewish state in the Levant to build a Jewish homeland. Support for Israel is an extremely divisive issue, with plenty of passionate supporters and opponents on each side (forgive us for the awful centrist take).
 
 


== The Good ==
== The Good ==
* In the area it is in, Israel is the most progressive and democratic country. It does have a degree of multi-culturalism, a welfare state, LGBT protections and women's rights that are far stronger than its neighbours.
* In the area it is in, Israel is the most progressive and democratic country. It does have a degree of multi-culturalism, a welfare state, LGBT protections and women's rights that are far stronger than its neighbours.  
* Israel has assassinated a number of Nazis and protected Jews from anti-semitic attacks across the world. As anti-fascists and anti-anti-semites, we can appreciate this.
* Israel has assassinated a number of Nazis and protected Jews from anti-semitic attacks across the world. As anti-fascists and anti-anti-semites, we can appreciate this. Multiple genocides have been stopped by Israel taking in Jewish refugees, including in Ethiopia, the Caucuses, and the Middle East.


== The Bad ==
== The Bad ==
''Main Article: [[Criticism of Israel]]''
''Main Article: [[Criticism of Israel]]''
* Israel is a liberal, capitalist and colonialist state, all of which are things opposed by libertarian socialists.
* Israel is a liberal, capitalist state, all of which are things opposed by libertarian socialists.
* Israel engages in various ways the oppression of Palestinian people and attacks on Palestine itself.
* Israel is a massive participant in the global arms trade, though they have shut down arms trading with countries like China.  
* Israel is a massive participant in the global arms trade and supporter of authoritarian and violent governments all over the world.
* Israel has committed multiple war crimes against the people of Palestine, Egypt and even International activists.
* Israel does not recognise the [[Armenian Genocide]] as a genocide.


== Bad Criticism of Israel ==
== Bad Criticism of Israel ==
''See Also: [[Jewish Conspiracy Theories]]''
''See Also: [[Jewish Conspiracy Theories]]''  


Any attempt to criticise Israel which does the following should be considered "bad faith" criticism of Israel:
Any attempt to criticise Israel which does the following should be considered "bad faith" criticism of Israel:
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* Any effort to imply Israel controls the world or even other countries. Not only are multiple countries outwardly anti-Israel but even close allies like the USA have opposed Israeli interests before. Notably in 1956 and 1996.
* Any effort to imply Israel controls the world or even other countries. Not only are multiple countries outwardly anti-Israel but even close allies like the USA have opposed Israeli interests before. Notably in 1956 and 1996.


=== Bad Defenses of Israel ===
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In contrast, a number of arguments used to defend Israel are quite bad, the most notable being the idea that Israel is uniquely singled out for criticism and this is a sign of anti-semitism. While there definitely are anti-semitic critics of Israel, this does not make all critics of Israel anti-semitic. Indeed, a lot of left-wing western criticism of Israel stems from the fact that western governments back Israel strongly in contrast to the common rhetoric of promoting human rights. These people are also critical of the west for its support of regimes like [[Saudi Arabia]].
 
== Libertarian Socialist Organisations  ==


== Libertarian Socialist Organisations ==
''Note: Given the Zionist outlook of many of these organisations, some would not call these libertarian socialist regardless of their practices of self-management''
* [[Egged (Cooperative)|Egged]]
* [[Egged (Cooperative)|Egged]]
* [[Kibbutzim]]
* [[Kibbutzim]]
* [[Moshav|Moshavim]]
* [[Moshav|Moshavim]]
*[[Zionism|Labour Zionists]] have been supportive of all these movements if not outright part of them, until recently Labour Zionism was the most powerful ideology in Israel, and it remains arguably the most powerful ideological opposition to more Capitalist Liberal Zionism.
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</image> <image source="map"></image> <label>Type</label> <label>Level</label> <label>Location</label> <label>Inhabitants</label> </infobox>The State of Israel is a liberal...ish..., capitalist state located in Western Asia, bordering the other states of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon. It also the only state that is built on the principles of Zionism (well, there is one interesting region of Russia), an ideology that desires the reclamation of a Jewish state in the Levant to build a Jewish homeland. Support for Israel is an extremely divisive issue, with plenty of passionate supporters and opponents on each side (forgive us for the awful centrist take).

The Good

  • In the area it is in, Israel is the most progressive and democratic country. It does have a degree of multi-culturalism, a welfare state, LGBT protections and women's rights that are far stronger than its neighbours.
  • Israel has assassinated a number of Nazis and protected Jews from anti-semitic attacks across the world. As anti-fascists and anti-anti-semites, we can appreciate this. Multiple genocides have been stopped by Israel taking in Jewish refugees, including in Ethiopia, the Caucuses, and the Middle East.

The Bad

Main Article: Criticism of Israel

  • Israel is a liberal, capitalist state, all of which are things opposed by libertarian socialists.
  • Israel is a massive participant in the global arms trade, though they have shut down arms trading with countries like China.

Bad Criticism of Israel

See Also: Jewish Conspiracy Theories

Any attempt to criticise Israel which does the following should be considered "bad faith" criticism of Israel:

  • Any effort to associate all Jews with Israel or the concept of being Jewish. Numerous Jews inside and outside of Israel are critical of the country.
  • Any effort to associate all flavours of Zionism with Israel. There are forms of Zionism which did not call for the current levels of violence seen in Israel today.
  • Any effort to imply Israel controls the world or even other countries. Not only are multiple countries outwardly anti-Israel but even close allies like the USA have opposed Israeli interests before. Notably in 1956 and 1996.


Libertarian Socialist Organisations

  • Egged
  • Kibbutzim
  • Moshavim
  • Labour Zionists have been supportive of all these movements if not outright part of them, until recently Labour Zionism was the most powerful ideology in Israel, and it remains arguably the most powerful ideological opposition to more Capitalist Liberal Zionism.